The Continental Mark VII has to rank among the most radical visual transformations in any Lincoln family tree before the ’90s and the “aero” age.
Take an early Panther for example. With a Lincoln Town Car, one actually had to be an aficionado to tell a 4 door Mark VI from an early ’80s “box” Towny. While there was a difference, it was not readily apparent to the non-initiate. Likewise, each of the ’70s big Marks (III-V) and even the downsized Mark VI (underneath a Panther) stylistically picked up where the previous iteration had left off.
But then along came the Continental Mark VII, and from the inside out it was a whole new deal. A new aerodynamic styling disguised a unibody Fox chassis with a longer wheelbase. One look under the hood was sufficient to see what had been done here: a full size car engine along with every accessory imaginable had been stuffed into a midsize chassis. The times were a-changing, and the Mark VII was designed to compete with the nimbler, livelier imports, particularly the ones from Germany. Why? The old money was looking for fashion accessories elsewhere and Lincoln had to adjust to the rapidly evolving playbook or become irrelevant.
We’ll jump ahead and tell you that Ford pretty much screwed this one up big time. Yes, they ended up with nine years of production (1984-92), easily the longest run for any of the big Marks. But, Ford sold just under two hundred thousand of these babies in those nine years. Granted, they were selling them for $25-30,000 in much more solid 1984-92 money. Still, one has to wonder what might have been, had CFI not happened.
I know. “CFI, in a Mark VII? These were EFI cars,” you should rightly be saying. And indeed, for the vast majority of their run (1986-92, all but the first two years) they were. But in those first two years the VIIs were either CFI (advertised as an EFI as you can tell from a cutout above, but sequential it was not) or alternately equipped with a BMW diesel. The batch fire CFI was good for only 140hp in 1984 and 1985. Tsk, tsk, Ford. Think about it: not until the third year of production (an eternity not just by today’s standards, Marks III-VI generally lasted 4 years per generation) did the Mark VII finally get “woken up” with the help of a proper, sequential EFI conversion, and an H.O. motor tuned to reclaim some of 302’s past glory. The horses jumped to 200hp for the 1986 LSC, and finally peaked at 225hp for the 1987 LSC. Now that’s more like it.
By then, the status battle had been lost. Sure, at the end of the day Ford still sold enough of these things. Yet one has to wonder what might have been had the car been postponed until 1986 when it could be introduced as a sequential EFI with the H.O. motor as standard. Perhaps, we would have seen a Cobra motor in the stock LSC right around the arrival of “Appetite for Destruction” instead?
Ok, enough with what-may-have-been’s! For those who were looking for a domestic Mercedes 500/560SEC and BMW 633/635CSi beater at half the price, there were still seven years of the (S)EFI Mark VII production left, with the H.O. motor first an LSC feature and then mercifully across the board. And these seven years, ladies and gentlemen, produced my favorite Lincoln ever. Warning: severe homerism may be encountered below. You have been warned.
Yes, I can hear it now – “pushrod engine, really?” Well, I warned you about homerism, didn’t I. Indeed I’ll take a single chain pushrod with cast iron heads over an SOHC or DOHC any day. As for the AOD… well, (I know, I’m in a huge minority here) I’ll always argue that it is a great transmission. When mated to the H.O. engine a healthy AOD is readily capable of a hold-on-for-dear-life responsiveness, especially when the H.O. cam kicks in, culminating a near manual transmission-esque, extremely satisfying clunk. Which by the way is a sign of the AOD actually being healthy (as opposed to it seamlessly slipping into expedited future deterioration – please read the small script in the Lincoln brochure cutout below).
Now, the AOD clunk has been debated in car lover circles forever. I understand the feelings of those who dislike it, and I think they have a valid point – a premium automatic should be seamless. All I can do here is express my personal feelings on the subject, so I’m just going to quote my friend and a veteran Lincoln mechanic on this one…
…”BANG! I LOVE IT!”
Where were we? Ah yes – 1986-92 Mark VIIs. We’ll just ignore those CFI years, okay? Now then, there were two main editions of the Mark VII from 1986 to 1992: The LSC (Luxury Sports Coupe) and the Bill Blass Designer Edition.
The Bill Blass was your grandpa’s Mark. Even as the LSC switched to the H.O. motor, the BB soldiered on with the “lopo” (150hp) for a few more years until 1988. Finally, they mercifully upped it to 225hp as well. The BB styling clues remained unchanged until the end of the production run in 1992: Bill Blass badges, brushed aluminum lower trim, Lincoln hood ornament, faux wood interior trim. You also got Bill Blass “pillow” seats and rear bench (very comfy!) and last but not least – the digital instrument cluster. With all of this stuff, the BB interior had a very different ambiance from an LSC. And it rode differently, with softer, BB specific air springs.
The LSC was a Euro Mark VII. Aggressively bolstered bucket seats with lumbars, blacked out (later – lushly textured titanium metallic grain) interior trim, and minimal Lincoln badging with no hood ornament. The LSC also included an analog instrument cluster with a tach and a coolant gauge, and fog lamps with special covers. There were two further variations on this theme. First was the ultra-rare GTC with a legendary body kit, monochromatic exterior trim (no chrome) and a unique front air spring design for superb handling. A few years later there was the Special Edition. The Special Edition mimicked GTC’s no-chrome intimidator attitude, with its blacked out exterior trim. This one came in only three colors: red, black, and titanium. Underneath though, the SE was just a regular LSC. But that body was worth it, hell, the SE grille alone was worth it: a two-tone work of art – alternating chrome teeth with red, black, or titanium ones to match the body.
The original conclusion of the Mark VII production was supposed to take place in 1990, but the Mark VIII development was behind schedule. Three more years ensued, and as the production neared its actual end, the BB received LSC springs for 1991-92. With that, it became essentially an LSC with the BB body and interior “kit.”
The options list drove the base price way up, but was pretty much essential. The moon roof and cellular phone were the two most expensive options, followed by the JBL system with 3-way speakers and its own special amp, an anti-theft system that disabled the starter, traction-lok, a CD player, and an electronic rearview mirror. Dealerships added some more “useful” stuff such as vinyl roofs and pinstriping, and of course the entire car could be special ordered just the way you wanted it to be, including your own exterior and interior color schemes within the general framework of a given edition. The limit was pretty much your imagination.
The standard equipment list was exhaustive: an electronic climate control, a tripminder with useful features such as Distance To Empty, real time MPG consumption and an English-to-Metric switch, inside and outside temperature displays, a compass, auto headlights with delay, auto headlight dimmer, power everything (including both front seats, not a given with Cadillac in the 80s), and a cruise control equipped leather wrapped steering wheel. Most importantly, the cars came standard with ATE designed (Germany) 4-wheel 3-channel electronic ABS systems, self-leveling 3 point electronic air suspensions, disk brakes all around, rack-and-pinion steering, and sway bars in the front and rear. Driver airbags were added for 1990-92, accompanied by a general dashboard redesign. The highway fuel economy for the EFI engines was impressive: north of 23 mpg if not abusing the skinny too much.
The seating position in all Mark VIIs was significantly lower than in the Town Car, immediately creating a more sporty (some found it cramped) environment. The sea of glass in the huge door to one’s left or right recreated an unmistakable old school Mark feel, and the visibility remained outstanding except for the rear quarters which ceased to be a problem as one got used to the car’s dimensions. The trade-off was the classic thick C-pillars, the last of their kind in a two door Lincoln, and a wonderfully cavernous rear portion of the interior, another classic Mark feature. The flat, vertical angle of the dash portion immediately facing the driver was traditional Ford, but the organic way in which that portion was incorporated into the larger, sleekly angled dashboard connecting the outside rearview mirrors was a Lincoln first. The dash sat in the firewall, and the gunslit windshield opened a panoramic view to a gently sloping sea of clear coat on the monstrous hood (and in the case of the BB edition, a distant Lincoln star).
Once in a front seat of a Mark VII, the lucky individual would be reminded of the painstaking hours clearly invested by the cabin’s designers. Designing a door is a form of art: how many cars have you dear reader been in where the door armrest was precisely where one’s elbow would be, not too high, not too low, not too angled, not cluttered with endless switches? The long, tastefully carpeted niche in the huge door panel of the Mark VII was a brilliant design. The seats, both the BB “pillows” and LSC “buckets” but especially the latter completely hugged the occupant.
The steep horizontal middle console was standard on all Mark VIIs, decidedly splitting the cabin’s front portion into a driver’s and a passenger’s personal spaces, and there were vents for the rear passengers in it. While there was no longer a front bench seat, the buckets moved back quite a bit on the tracks (and they reclined all the way, too! Yay!). The leather wrapped and stitched shifter was mounted in the middle console, putting an exclamation point on a dramatic departure from Lincoln’s traditional interior design.
Turning the key ON (without starting the engine) was best experienced in the dark of a garage or at night. Clusters of vintage 80s big (and I mean, BIG) square warning lamps with spelled out referents came on everywhere, all but a few of them disappearing within seconds. This was Star Trek – modern microscopic warning symbols somewhere inside an instrument cluster just don’t compare to this. Buzzing! Buzzing would fill the interior as the air suspension kicked on, the brake system hydraulic pump would charge the mysterious black balloon, and somewhere in that symphony a 2 second drone of the fuel pump would do its thing. You could just feel serious things happen around you as the big Mark was waking up. Then (or maybe skipping this part) you started the engine, and after the obligatory starter gunfire sound effect it idled quietly.
In the evening, the gentle glow of at least three (in the case of the digital cluster equipped Bill Blass, six) electronic displays created a soft ambiance. Almost every switch and control (curiously, except for the door mounted ones) was illuminated, including the gear lettering next to the shifter. The optional electronic rearview mirror either isolated and dulled the headlights behind you to the point where they seemed UFO surreal, or alternately turned blue as most of these mirror things do today. The autodimmer box would frequently get spooked by its (car’s) own headlight reflection in a roadside sign and cycle off/on. The vinyl dash, when clean, would glisten in the streetlight with the moonroof shade rolled back.
A factory H.O. motor with a proper factory setting for the AOD cable provided plenty of thrills for those who liked to abuse the skinny. Burnouts were never a problem for LSC’s 3.27 rear. The ride was firm and supple and the rack-and-pinion steering felt secure and precise. The power steering pump provided sufficient boosting (these being pre-variable assist days) yet never felt artificial. Compared to the steering effort at crawl speed, the vehicle grew delightfully light north of 40 mph, speed being felt in a way that most overboosted or electronically steered contemporary cars can never communicate it – in a word, Fun. The rack faithfully telegraphed the road to the steering wheel at all times, while the suspension swallowed most of the imperfections. Lane switching at 60 mph was a jolly good time, and anything north of 80 mph in a new or mechanically well-maintained Mark VII was serious fun.
The ABS was excellent and while the car stopped on a dime the brakes never felt overly aggressive. Even when you stood on them, the sitting position basically guaranteed that you’d maybe feel a slight shove while the car experienced an epic nosedive. While misunderstood because of their complexity, these were a rare combination of secure and luxurious brakes, an art all but lost today when a lot of brake systems seem to bite down with the intention of launching one into the windshield.
At the end of the day though, this was one of the ultimate old school North American grand tourers. The Mark VII truly made and always will make the most sense on a highway, gently sipping from its huge 22 gallon tank, riding the waves of uneven pavement seams, seemingly disconnected from the surface by its wonderful suspension and light yet crisp steering. As you hugged a long sweeping curve your foot would find the gas pedal and send the Fox body into the curve just a wee bit faster. And as you cruised into the sunset, slicing through scenery, you felt like anything was possible.
Because, whether the boys at Ford had met their goal of catching up with the German imports or fell short of it, you a.k.a. the beneficiary of their efforts were handed the keys to a sleek, shiny, menacing toy that did much more than share the fast lane with its German luxobarge rivals. Unlike the 560SEC and 635CSi, the Mark VII was a car both of its time and out of time. It had a unique and deliberate stylistic connection to the American past, a throwback to the glory days of old. One of the last Detroit dinosaurs, proudly sporting its Continental hump and thick C-pillars in a post CAFE age, the Lincoln Mark VII was a dying breed. And soon, just like that… it was gone.
The title “Forgotten Car” was chosen because Ford pretends today that these cars, along with the entire 80s Lincoln lineup never existed. The Panther, after years of neglect, has recently been euthanized, and the unique parts supply (or lack thereof) for vehicles such as the Mark VII tells you everything you need to know regarding what Ford thinks of this car’s legacy. Just compare the supply of parts to that available for the Fox body Mustang. Yep!
Inthe not-so-near future I will have another Mark VII entry, that one very different. It will be dedicated to living with this one, and bringing it back to what it once was. As of this moment, the story is still being written!
As a preview of that future entry… here’s the explanation of the clue. Thanks for reading!
Always thought this was a really great car, especially LSC! I’ve toyed with the ‘idea’ of buying one of them too. Good luck with yours! Any car with a owner willing to revive it to full working order is usually a happy car!
James and Btrig:
Thanks guys, it’s been a fun journey so far. Some moments of frustration (mostly because I had no mechanical ability or inclination growing up and had to learn everything from scratch, starting with the simple concepts of how things work), but plenty of joy to make up for it. For someone already with some mechanical ability, or say, if I had to do this again with another beat-up VII, it’d be soooo much easier.
But that’s what made it fun (and continues to).
The other thing that makes it fun is discovering the Lincoln in an otherwise old and beat-up car. With every suspension, brakes, or steering component repair (or serious tune-up items) it’s like, “so THAT’S how you really are.” This is all before the mods, financially I’ve just never been there, all I have done was aimed at the sole purpose of keeping the car on the road. Believe it or not, this is a daily driver with currently 203k on the clock, and its critical for my commute to work and back (I just won’t drive in the snow, so that’s when I have to allow way more time for the commute but to me it’s worth it). Basically, I lucked into buying a car with a new paint job covering a lotta problems and years of mechanical neglect underneath.
For better or worse, it turned me into a motorhead.
I’ve always like the third, fifth, eighth and ninth generation of these cars. I wouldn’t mind having an eighth or ninth generation four door. It would be hard to choose which one out of those two though lol.
Wait… there wasn’t a 9th generation!!! It was this from 1984 to 1992 (the 7th generation), and then the Mark VIII from 1993 to 1998.
And there was a 4 door Mark VII. Unfortunately, it was only available as a 150hp lopo, so no HO motor unless you go through with a swap of your own. Otherwise it’s more or less the same car, V8, AOD, RWD, air suspension, ABS, all of the same electronic gadgets, etc. The Fox body Lincoln Continental.
I’m still waiting for a CC on that, btw.
The same is not true for the Mark VIII vs. its contemporary Continental. Every Conti after the Fox one was a FWD. On the Taurus platform. Not even near the same league as the T-bird based and modified Mark VIII.
I was perusing the wiki article and got confused lol 🙂
My grandfather’s last car was a new 1987 Continental, rosewood metallic with taupe interior. It was the first car I saw with a moonroof, though most of my dad’s Volvos had steel sunroofs. That was the last year for the Fox-bodied Continental. It replaced a triple navy blue 1977 Mark V. It was a sharp car and I rode in it many times. In about 1999, I test drove a nearly identical 1986 Continental, and it was as nice to drive as to ride in. Should have bought it, it was only $900 as I recall, and very clean. I was in college though and did not need a second car. These cars are scarce on the ground these days, but are one of my favorite Lincolns. They were a nice size too, not giant like the Mark V. It would be easy to use one as a daily driver today.
While many gays are fighting for marital rights…. I wish I could marry my Lincoln Mark 8…lol…..at 17 years old ..it will still stomp a hole in many late model cars…and look better and more unique…. I have the last mark car built… A white 1998….
I also like the Mark series it replaced…. But build quality …especially interior was horrid….. I owned Four 80s T-birds….but…I say buy em up…while you still can….people are starting to notice …these old marks….. Great article….. Felt like you might have been a writer for a major car mag…..good show..
My boyfriend has a 1987 lsc theyes something going on with the suspension, the airbags wont fill up all the way, it drives so bumpy. He has checked many of the possibilitys that it could be, do you have any suggestions? Thanks.
Jess688, check the height sensors as they are adjustable. Also check for air leaks at the air dryer where the lines go in. They probably need new o- rings. Since the air springs are rubber, they deteriorate with age. Suncore snd Arnott make new “bags” for our Mark VIIs and prices are very reasonable, as are their prices for new air compressors. I have an ’89 LSC that I bought off the original owner 13 years ago and I’ve put near 100K on it. Nicest car I have ever owned among the 20 or so vehicles I’ve had since I got my license in the mid 70s. Let’s keep these American classics on the road!
BTW, if you could be more specific about what the suspension is doing, I may be able to help, as I do all my own work and make regular trips from GA to CT in my LSC.
Bob
I’ve had a Bill Blass model for 3 years. I cannot afford to get it road-worthy, but I hesitate to be rid of it. I dream of fixing it up, as it doesn’t need a lot of work but, as a disabled Veteran, on a fixed income, I just simply cannot afford it. So it sits in my garage, not drivable. It breaks my heart to see such an American classic just sitting there that I refuse to send it to the breakers.
Mr Butch, first I just want to say that it’s an honor to meet you on this web page of the Lincoln Mark 7 club. my blessings go out to you and all of the other men who have fought for our country. I am sitting on a 1989 Lincoln Mark 7 VII LSC black on black. My family wants me to get rid of it but I’m like no way. Parts are starting to be obsolete and I’m wondering if it’s the best thing to do. after hearing your story other great American as you sitting on a great American classic I believe I will keep it forever. Thank you for your help in my decision. once again blessings to you all, Anthony.
i have a 1989 lincoln mark 7 thats at about 204,000 and i think i just blew my head gasket. i need a car to drive but cant part with my Lucille (thats what i named her) ive had her for almost twelve years. and now i wouldnt even know what to sell her for????? karen
As prior AF, thank you for your service. I just purchased an ’84 Bill Blass and it’s running well. I would be interested in your non-running vehicle for parts to get mine going better. Are you willing to do that, part it out? Please, let me know if you want to contribute in such a way, or maybe another idea?
Thanks again.
My name is Joseph Padilla I live in Vacaville ca, I’m a proud owner of a Lincoln mark 7 lsc.this is an amazing car,wish I had the money to put in it.as of now I’m starting to have problems with the car,such
as the pulsing of the motor.but does not do it all the time.let me say that I have put some money in this car .ive replaced front and back air ride added a cold air intake and some headers off of a mustang and replaced my AOD transmission with a built AOD transmission. I’ am wanting to sell it for the right price. 707 624 9584
It’s date of birth is 1990.
Back in ’92 I had an ’88 LSC as a loaner for about a month. I loved driving that car, but the build quality was horrendous. The car was just four years old, but it seemed practically every other time I got in it something new would break. Usually something electric and hideously expensive to fix. Presumably, that’s why they’re so rare on the ground now. Well, that and the AOD (with respect to the author’s preference, AOD-equipped cars have nearly vanished from the roads for good reason).
Always thought it was a shame they didn’t build these better — they’re wonderful fun to drive — great road feel, super comfy, and the styling is really classic inside and out. But I’m afraid they’re probably money pits.
Hopefully you’ll be more lucky with yours, but I’ve pretty much sworn off any future Fords as they always seem to be a much larger headache for me than GM or Chrysler cars. I love the F150 we have now, but it’s another vehicle that almost constantly has electrical and electronic issues, so no more Ford products for me after this.
But I’m rooting for you. 🙂
Yes, I should have mentioned this in the write-up but really ran out of space, lol.
The 1984-89 were plagued by a faulty ignition switch. A lot of electrical wiring hubbed there, and so when those things went bad seemingly every electronic device on the car did too. They redesigned those for the final three years of production, as a result, the 1990-92 are just about flawless for electric connections.
The aftermarket solution for 1984-89 owners is to swap their ignition switch (along with the TV cable bushing, see below) right away, whether it’s fine or not, unless it can be determined that what they have is already an aftermarket ignition switch. Those are just the two basic preliminary steps to Mark VII ownership.
I have a 1990 with a redesigned stock ignition switch and can tell you that this car has been near flawless for electric connections. There is one other common problem that they all share, 1984-92 – the gas gauge electronic module on the back of the instrument cluster will need to have its connectors sanded. But that one only creeps up with age, it shouldn’t have been an issue when they were new. And it’s an easy fix today.
As for the “money pit” thing, well… suspension and steering components are going to have to be replaced on most cars at 20+ years, if they are to ride nicely. This is a comfort thing though, one could lumber along on bad c/a and rack bushings for a long time, ask me how I know lol. The required investment will include some engine gaskets (not the heads, but most of the other ones), some engine accessories (water pump, p/s pump, alternator, balancer), EEC-IV sensors and actuators, typical tune-up items, all hoses, calipers, the exhaust… but what car wouldn’t need most of this at 20+ years? Except for 80s Toyotas… 🙂
The parts aren’t expensive though (well, they can be if one goes the Ford route, but the aftermarket parts are mostly very good and sufficient). The unique repairs one has to deal with include probably only the ATE accumulator ball and the (much overrated, it ain’t that bad) airbag service.
Thanks so much for that info, that’s really good to know. The Mark VII just went from “no way” to “maybe”. 🙂
That was an incredible piece of writing. You’re awesome. I am on track to buy an LSC this Sunday and this only made me love it more and cemented my wanting it. Thank you for all the info and taking the time to write such a great article. Also, thank you for the handy tips with the TV bushing and ignition switch. If you have anymore first-time LSC buyer’s tips please let me know.
There are lots of AOD cars still on the road, in fact the last one so equipped just rolled off the assembly line Thursday. Sure it may go by the name 4R75W but it was the same basic trans and many of the parts do interchange, IE you can make an AODW by slipping the wide ratio gear set from a 4R7xW. Yes the early 80’s versions had some problems but by the time the last AODs before they became the AOD-E were produced they had been transformed into a transmission that regularly lasts 200~300K or more.
4R75W? J-Mod!!! 😀
As I drove a taxi for 8 years (’89-’97), I tend to think I know a thing or two about the reliability of full-sized American cars from that period… And clearly I was referring to the one Ford calls “AOD”. 😉
Granted, the cars with it that I’ve driven were most likely abused pretty thoroughly, but the GM Bs sure stood up far better to that same abuse. And I drove one Ford (a Country Squire) that was definitely never abused, it went straight from being an octogenarian’s last car to being my cab — and it was just a nightmare. Replaced it with a Pontiac Parisienne (with fender skirts and opera lights, haha) that was practically a *perfect* car, 700R-4 and all. In fact, had it not been totaled (hit head-on by a drunk) I might still have that Pontiac, that’s how good it was.
My cab customers hated the AOD Fords, and it was reflected pretty dramatically in my tips. It was that dreaded clunk going into 3rd — either you had to feather foot it or *CLUNK*, neck-snapper. Most cab customers want to feel they’re being chauffeured in a limo, the AOD made them feel they were being shuttled in an old junker that might not even get us where we were going. “Transmission problems, huh?” was a question I must’ve heard a million times…
You are nuts if you think you are going to get a more reliable vehicle from todays GM or Chrysler.
“You are nuts if you think you are going to get a more reliable vehicle from todays GM or Chrysler.”
Well I probably am nuts, but not for the reason you think — any car I buy nowadays is going to be at least 20 years old. 🙂
Always thought these had a handsome face. I also like the early 90s Town Cars that had similar lights and grille.
Could someone explain what’s (arguably?) wrong with the AOD?
Others may have more technical info, but I never liked the way it drove. I owned one in an ’85 Crown Vic. The thing shifted through first and second just like any Ford automatic, but then went into third gear AND torque converter lockup at the same time, so that shift into third was extremely noticeable. Worse (at least in my case) with a tall axle and low power (about 140 ish horsepower) third gear and a locked converter hit at around 25 mph in normal accelleration, and left you in a very unhappy, torqueless place until you got up above about 40. That range between 25 and 40 mph was just excruciating, and with any kind of city driving, this is where you spend a lot of time.
I have always wondered how this tranny felt in the higher power cars like the Mustang GTs and the Mark VII LSCs.
I have understood that there were reliability problems, but I never experienced these and will leave this issue to others.
@JP:
Well, in my experience it never starves for torque between 0 and 70. Basically it comes down to the Mustang HO cams, which are excellent. So that’s the difference!
Under a medium acceleration (way short of WOT) you’re gonna tap into 2500 RPMs which is when the HO cam really shines and it’s just gonna keep producing torque there. My 3rd gear shift usually takes place at 30 mph and 3200 RPMs under normal acceleration, I really have to be nursing the skinny to go there at 25 mph.
Keep the same amount of throttle input and the exact same thing is going to happen on the way to the OD, just keep on the pedal and immediately you’re back to 2500 RPMs, and the HO once again takes you from there with a steady supply of torque. The OD shift under medium acceleration for me is at about 3200 RPMs and whenever I get off the throttle, could be 40 mph, could be 45 mph, under medium acceleration probably won’t be more than 50 mph.
Now, WOT is a different story. The 3rd won’t kick in until 40 or so and the OD shift can be as late as 65 or 70 mph. It’s a steady uninterrupted supply of torque, with a quick shove for the 3rd along the way, then a final clunk for the OD. You’ll be living around or just north of 4000 RPMs all the way. Then in the OD it’ll settle at 2000 RPMs at that speed.
The power is going to be harder to come by once you’re in the OD, the best way to get it then is almost always WOT. Then it’s there. The HO basically likes to be abused. In a word, it’s a brute… it was never intended to “behave” 😀
I agree. We tried a couple of police Crown Vics for taxis and the transmissions were horrible. The shift into third was a horrible clunk that basically hobbled the car’s performance. The AOD was as reliable as a GM 700 series which isn’t saiying much but at least you could easily sway a THM350 into one with no mods necessary and it was half the money. It also lasted twice as long and an AOD.
As JP mentions, the 25-40 mph band was awful with an AOD which is where 90% of your taxi driving will take place.
I finally got to where after the car would shift to second, I would pull the shift lever to 2 and hold it manually until the car was approaching 35, then manually shift into D. Wow, I thought – a semi-automatic in the 80s.
In fact, I quickly came to regret selling my ’86 Fox body Marquis wagon with the V6 and the C5 3 speed auto. It had a much more pleasant powertrain. (I did not own it long enough to have the head gasket issues).
Canucknucklehead.. I’m assuming you’re referring to the 351 cop Crown Vics? If so, then I don’t know what youse (or the prior owners) did to these cars and their trannys 😀 😀 😀 ….because with the HO the 2nd to 3rd shift should be barely noticeable under WOT, and it should still not have a “horrible clunk” under medium throttle. There is NO way the “25-40” band is awful under WOT on an HO engine, NO WAY IN HELL! Not to mention that it isn’t a “25-40” band to begin with, as I posted above – unless that cable is waaaaaaaaaaaay stretched out and the whole thing is hopelessly slipping into deterioration. Are we really talking the same cams here?
Furthermore, there is no such thing as a “horrible clunk” on a healthy AOD. There just isn’t. There is a little bit of a shove, and there is an OD clunk. Ok yes, so there should be a noticeable clunk in 3rd under light throttle. I think we all agree though that it’s safe to say that doesn’t really count as “performance” driving. The only time the AOD will really clunk badly in 3rd under any kind of a proper acceleration is when the AOD is well on its way out.
The OD should clunk always!!!
That’s just my experience of it, and by now I’ve lived close to three years with one as a daily driver. And I have a lot of friends that have one.
I too have been a Taxi Driver from 2000-2005 in good ole Phoenix Arizona where a lot of Engineers test their future concept cars because when the temperature is 100 degrees in the shade the pavement is 160 degrees. I know this stuff because I have 300.000 safe durability test miles I have driven in this heat that lasts normally 5 months each year. And in June is when we experience temperatures in the 120 degree plus in the shade in 1989 I got to experience 127 degrees in the shade. That’s why Allison Automatic Transmission the manufacturer of most Big Rig Auto tranny’s tests their transmission applications in Arizona in the summer. Any how the transmission is in its best condition when rather it is a GM or Ford its shifts are crisp and that’s why we install shift kits and change the shift points in the junk until rebuilt by a good professional GM 700r4s and many of their tranny’s need to be upgraded by a pro builder the same as AOD’s in Ford/ Lincolns should be. My automatic trans AOD in my 1986 Bill Blass was rebuilt properly with a shift kit from Trans-go got its only rebuild done at 125000 miles and was all good until the car was totaled at 187000 miles. R.I.P. But my 1994 Ford Crown Vic Police package 4.6 SOHC which I bought with 60,000 miles on it went thorough AOD’s about every 60,000 miles. But as I was buying the car from the company I worked for I paid for maintenance and Insurance for two years and my car ran 24 hours a day and 10,000 miles a month and my tranny was always rebuilt by a inexpensive shop until the last one went out at 251,000 miles. You must realize I ran that Taxi as hard as it could be driven every time I got behind the wheel which was usually six days/ nights a week. Me and my many co-drivers we shared the car each driving a twelve hour shift. At 251,000 miles I had my transmission builder build it correctly for me with a custom built valve body and a new case for $1000.00 and it had crisp shifts and not ever a complaint from my many personal clients until I retired my Taxi from service with 339,000 miles on the clock . I currently own a 1998 Ford F150 5.4 XLT 4X4 Automatic that still shifts crisp and firm at 175000 miles with no modifications only Transmission services about every 50,000 miles. I also own a 1990 Mark VII LSC SE that had its trans AOD completely rebuilt in March of 2011 with approx. 95000 actual miles and it’s internals and torque converter was upgraded and a Trans-go manual shift kit was installed which feeds into a 4.11 trac-lock-posi-8.8 Detroit locker rear end which I put my foot into everyday and it has crisp and firm shifts as designed. When I am driving 75 mph on the freeway it is running at 3400 rpm in this heat and runs just fine and I will report if I have any problems in the future. And the only electrical problem is in my SE is the drivers seat bottom and the motors are bad and it will not move the lower seat fore and aft. But I should have my new motors in a few days as I already ordered them. Everything else works as manufactured and yeah I have a stock 5.0 H.O. motor that is tight as a drum with 102000 miles on it. And I also have a 1993 Lincoln Mark VIII DOHC 4.6 E-AOD automatic transmission with a Reinhardt performance chip which recalibrate s the tranny so it has shift points like a shift kit and it has 85000 original miles on it and it shifts crisp and firm as it is designed to do the biggest trick to keeping my cars and truck healthy is regular maintainance. I have one more car that I recently purchased with out driving it but that 428 4V starts on the first turn and I am sure that the FMX or C6 tranny that is in it will shift fine since it is a 1966 with only 49909 actual miles on it. Ok I will tell you it is a 1966 FORD Galaxie 500 7 Litre 2 door hard top/ fastback with a 9.9 3.25 equi-lock rear end on coils. And when I finally drive ole Red in February of 2012 I will update how that tranny shifts at that time. Thank you for reading this article Robbie.
Nice Post:) I’m using a 08 Buick Lucerne CSX as an Uber car. Using GM Dex fluids( It’s on an extended warranty sshhh) just turned 80K no issues. Has 8 qt oil pan, 4.6 Northstar, 6500 rpm redline. Will probably shop for a ’11 Super or a ’16 SS when the warranty expires. It bears some similarity to an Impala, (dash, tail lights) but I love the magnetic ride control and the fwd. I used to have an 80 Eldo.I drive it like I stole it when it’s busy, and like grandma if nobody is behind me. Best wishes. RichB;))
@73Imp:
I personally think that the AOD suits the HO motors better, as explained above – the HO cam makes a lotta difference. However, I have been in “lopo’s” that accelerate just fine, not brutish like the HO can be, but nevertheless really impressive. A lot of it may be the condition of the throttle cable. When those cables stretch (and they do over time) the AOD really gets slippery. There’s simply not enough pressure then. We had to tighten mine up just to get it back to how they were when they were new (I have had the enormous blessing of having a mechanic friend who drove these and other Fords back in ’89, and has owned and worked on them ever since).
The greatest trouble with the AOD (except for ’86) is the throttle cable attachment. It mounts to the throttle body via this plastic bushing thing, called the TV bushing. Possibly the most idiotic design ever. Long story short, once that stupid thing disintegrates the cable will pop out and your tranny if in gear is going to get messed up within minutes. Unless you have a tach or know what you’re feeling and hearing, you’re simply not gonna know what hit you until a few miles later your gears are all toast and it’s time for a tranny rebuild.
This is a problem common to all AOD equipped Fords of that vintage, and at my most cynical I would say that they designed them that way on purpose, so that they could sell more of these things. Because the solution is ridiculously simple, so simple that I refuse to imagine they didn’t think of it.
What is it? Just swap the timebomb plastic bushing for a permanent metal horseshoe clip. A $5.00 and 5 minute fix. And you’re set for the lifespan of the AOD.
EDIT: Oh, forgot to mention: the factory spec for the HO engine says that the torque is 300 lbs at 3200 RPMs. Non-HO? 250 lbs at 1600 RPMs! A world of difference…
That plastic bushing on the TV linkage isn’t that big of a deal and it’s not like it was unique to AOD cars, Chrysler’s 727 used a similar plastic bushing on their TV linkage in the 70’s. It was done to speed assembly as they snap together. Because of this they aren’t designed to be removed and re-used but many have been and that is one of the reasons they fail. Still once they get to 20 years old or more it’s not a bad idea to get it out of their and replace it with a “jesus clip”.
There is a red LSC similar to your car parked in front of a House a couple of blocks from mine. It has been there as long as we have lived here, about 14 years.
Nice looking cars, and you don’t see that many around…
I like both the Fox platform and Panther platform Ford’s for a few reasons, one would be the engine, transmission, suspension interchange-ability between the models that used the platforms. You could easily built a wrecked Mark VII into a Mustang under the skin, turn your Mustang into a soft-luxo cruiser, take a Fox platform Continental and make it an LSC in engine and suspension, fit a mid 80s Town Car with a handling package suspension from a newer car, or give a Grand Marquis a Police Interceptor suspension (don’t know why you’d NEED to, but it’s possible.) Heck depending on your states emissions laws you could even swap that low powered early 302 for a 351.
One of my dad’s buddies had a “titanium” LSC that he had owned since new till about 2005 when having had a little too much to drink he lost control on a curve on a country backroad. It was a beautiful car, was only accumulating a few thousand miles a year on it, I actually had planned to make him an offer if he ever wanted to get rid of it. Landed in the trees at the local golf course. He was OK but the insurance company totaled it out. Now this is a car he didn’t drive much (he has a pre 1994 Dodge truck as a daily driver) and he replaced the Lincoln with a 1999 Cadillac Seville STS. My dad and I are both waiting to see how the Northstar holds up.
Yes, this is very true. P-heads are a common mod, as are the GT-40 heads. Explorer motors can be thrown into these cars wholesale. 351s can be thrown in as well. Brakes can be upgraded to SN-95 (4th gen Mustang setup) and hello big rotors. Coil spring packages exist for those who want a sportier ride. Shift kits exist as well. Manuals can be swapped in relatively easily. The possibilities are nearly limitless. MAF conversions have been done, but those can be tricky tuning wise. And it’s the same thing for the Panthers, which is why so many love them. I must say, it is quite something to be in a MAF converted ’82 Box Vic with an Explorer engine and the stock BoF ride. As long as you like the retro styling the need and interest in new cars, unless we’re talking supercars, just disappears. Subaru and Evo tuner cars? Forget it, could never match the ride, whereas modded Panthers come close to matching the power. What can be done to these early SEFI cars is totally enough for any kind of daily driving and interstate fun… 😀
Wow, do they really compare it to mercedes S-class coupe in the ad? That was brazen for sure. Maybe CC should do an article about these kind of overambitious ads. There seem to be plenty back in the days (80s), such as Dodge 600 vs Mercedes, etc. Funnily, it seems that it’s the Mercedes today that’s emulating the build quality of their ‘competitors’ back in the day, making comparison like these more apt than ever.
When the LSC came out, the comparison with Mercedes didn’t seem as ridiculous as you might think. The top US engine spec from Mercedes at the time was a 3.8 liter V8 making 155 hp and 196 ft/lbs of torque. While the Mercedes-Benz of the day was much higher quality than what they build today, it was considered austere and threadbare compared to the heavier W116 family of cars that preceded them. Engines were smaller, interiors were less rich, styling was less disctinctive. People cross shopping with the LSC often couldn’t tell that the Mercedes would become an heirloom car while many early MKVII buyers would become unhappy ex-owners in less than 3 years. I remember when all these cars were new, and I ran with a crowd whose parents owned all of them. Plenty of people with money still wanted to buy American cars, some even traded in German or British sedans for LSCs. Most of them also owned a Grand Wagoneer, which was the car with the highest ownership demographics during its production. When it was killed off, the Suburban became the car of the wealthiest Americans for many years. That demographic owned several cars, and for a brief moment many of them had MKVIIs in their fleets. The LSC was well received by the press, greeted with at least as much enthusiasm as the latest ‘suddenly they’re really good’ American cars are receiving. Something about the ownership experience was so bad that it turned off people who accepted water leaks and constant niggling problems from their expensive Grand Wagoneers.
“Something about the ownership experience was so bad that it turned off people who accepted water leaks and constant niggling problems from their expensive Grand Wagoneers.”
To quote a good friend and a Lincoln mechanic, “Dealers didn’t know what to do with these cars when they were new.”
Every car is going to have early production kinks. When your local Lincoln-Mercury service doc is utterly incapable of adequately diagnosing and repairing the air suspension and your expensive car toy literally looks like a half sunken ship, you’re likely to get turned off in a big way. 😀 😀 😀
Gotta love Ford. I would like to hear from the people who worked for those dealers in the 80s. It is still a mystery to me why the dealers were apparently unable to adequately execute while armed with the same shop repair manuals that I have on my shelf today. It’s just a mystery.
But yeah, these cars look pretty tragic in their “sunken” condition. LOL.
This is a good read (better in print form but google will have to do). May ’86 Popular Mechanics. Mercedes-Benz 560 SEC vs Mark VII and others.
http://books.google.com/books?id=QOQDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA94&dq=popular+mechanics+mark+VII&hl=en&ei=vlp1TuiEMYHo0QGbtpnLDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=popular%20mechanics%20mark%20VII&f=false
The Mark is in the same league as the SEC for half the price.
That’s a wonderful article. I love how they get all wet over the Merc “saving lives” and then have a brief footnote like mention, “oh by the way and the Lincoln has the same ABS system as the Mercedes.” LOL @that and @the Eldo getting completely spanked by every other car in the comparo. 😀
Blaming the service departments, and I have personal experience with exactly how bad they could be, doesn’t really do much to absolve these cars for putting their owners at the dealers’ mercies so soon after purchase.
My favorite Mark since the III.
The III is in vogue now, a lotta people resto’ing those babies! Gotta love those rocker panels 😀
Rented on for a long trip in the 80s sometime. Loved it. Would have bought but way too expensive I thought. Thanks for a great writeup.
Hmm.. A BMW 635i or a Lincoln Mark VII? Seriously Ford, what the hell were you thinking? Faux plastic trim, pillow top seats? Eeegads, that all conjures up memories of every 80’s full sized Ford car I have ever ridden in. Cigarette ash all over the center console, a half empty soda, bills and letters on the dash, and the ubiquitous dream catcher and pine tree air fresheners hanging from the mirror. No thanks, I would rather save up for a real luxury car or spend a lot less and buy pair of luxury shoes to walk in.
Ouch!! Gee, I’m sorry to hear that!
It speaks more to the low life background of those cars’ (second and third, I presume?) owners, than to the cars themselves, don’t you think? I mean, BMW’s don’t end up like that? I dunno, I’ve been in more trashed up E-46 4 doors than I am personally willing to count. Talk about Noveau Riche whose cars probably testify to what their dorm rooms looked like before they got that cushy job…
Conversely, I’ve mostly ridden in enthusiasts’ restored 80s Panthers and Marks VIIs. Blameless center consoles, clean ash trays, no stains anywhere, shined up dashboards, and the subtle hint of premium leather care and carpet cleaner.
Kinda depends on who the car ends up with, eh?
And speaking of black plastic trim, I’m pretty sure that’s what the E24 had too…
“…faux plastic trim…”
I always assumed it was real plastic.
hahaha!
+1
Nice ride, I like the old VII and haven’t forgot it. My friend’s father worked for Ford in the regional office for many years. One of his perks was his choice of any new Ford every 6 mos as a company car. For most of the mid-late 80’s his choice was a VII LSC.
Awesome. Did he ever luck into a GTC, by chance?
Here you go guys. If I wasn’t saving for a wedding I’d seriously think about it. This car deserves a good home. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Lincoln-LSC-LSC-5-0L-Power-Steering-4-Wheel-ABS-4-Wheel-Disc-Brakes-/260855719359?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3cbc3665bf
That’s a nice car, somebody needs to give it a good home. I imagine the usual to-do list is going to be there, regular inspections are not going to reveal some of the unique perks and mileage matters squat when we’re talking 20+ years. Still, a Southern car with it seems like no rust is always a good deal. And it’s an SE. The interior is grade A, btw, won’t find too many of those. Insanely nice steering wheel condition (or restoration). Cloth inserts are always a plus, those seats should last a long time with some leather care. This is the kind of Lincoln I was referring to in an above comment to another poster 😉
I am curious, however, why the SE grille is missing. Also, the factory clear coats didn’t usually last 20 years, so I’m gonna say it’s been repainted after the front was (possibly) rebuilt. Unless there were factory SEs with regular LSC grilles and the clear somehow survived 20 years and 70k miles of the Georgia sun. Might have survived if it was being garaged all that time.
Dan, and – CONGRATS, man!!! 😀
Indeed I’ll take a single chain pushrod with cast iron heads over an SOHC or DOHC any day.
Generally agree, and the 4.9L was the best choice for the Lincoln brand.
However, the SHO V6, 2.3L turbo and 3.8L supercharged (was OHV but still not NA) coming out of Ford in this era were all pretty sweet.
I agree! I would further say that the 4.6, especially the DOHC, is a great engine! I didn’t mean to belittle it, by no means so.
The perspective that I am approaching this from is that of the likelihood of things breaking. Which is different from how someone who can afford a new car will approach it. For me, two things are of significance: first, what are the chances of the stock engine still having a lotta life in it with minimal investment, and second, once it’s been (inevitably) rebuilt, what are the chances of it outlasting the original life span with now even better maintenance done to my and only my standards.
To me, the beauty of the OHV design is that there’s just less stuff that can break. The trade-off is performance. Even then, obviously and inevitably stuff will break, even with proper maintenance. It’s always only a matter of “when.” But to give an example, I just like the idea of a single timing chain vs. four timing chains soo much better! And as for performance, I believe that the OHV can be built to more than satisfy in everyday driving conditions. If one’s goal is to dominate on the track Jack Baruth style, then that requires a whole different approach.
That being said… no disputing what the modern engines can do, in terms of performance and refinement. They’re great, and from that point of view, the cars being built today are indeed the most sophisticated and in that sense, the “best” ever. 😀
Thanks, Phoenix, that was great. One of the many reasons to love this site is explanations like that. I realize I’m spoiled with my 440/Torque-Flite…even a detuned big block makes silly freight-train torque. Drivetrain engineering got a lot more complicated when you couldn’t just twist through your weak spots.
Yes!! I’m jealous!! 😀 …you need to write about your car, btw!
The goodness of the 302 OHV to me lies precisely in the fact that it was not created with CAFE in mind. It’s what, a 50s design implemented in the 60s? Something like that. The initial solution to the emissions challenge was to just choke them all to death, and with a small block (unlike in your case) it could actually be choked.
The goodness of the Mark VII HO iteration of the 302 to me lies in the fact that they were starting to find ways of waking that thing up again, this time taking emissions into account, RIGHT BEFORE they finally went to an infinitely more complex engine with Ford’s modular design.
As I mention in the write-up, the Mark VII just missed out on the Cobra OHV engine. Now it is possible to, say, swap the Cobra heads and intakes in, and just like that you get one of the best 302s ever, but with the best fuel mileage for the power, and a fairly advanced engine control system that can further be tuned and messed with.
Still no substitute for the big block, nothing can replace the displacement! But it’s a competitive option that combines thrills with amazing user friendliness and structural rigidity… this combination was not easily found, to my mind, in the time span separating the legendary era that yours still belongs to, and the post CAFE awakening that mine just barely claws its way into. And I don’t find it in today’s cars.
I think the 302 was actually ’60s tech. The first “modern” Ford thinwall smallblock was the 221/260 used in the 62-64 Fairlane and 63-64 Falcon (and a few early Mustangs). In 63 (I believe) it became the 289 which found its way into the Galaxie. This engine replaced the Ford Y block 292, which went back to 1954 ( initially 239 cid, I think). The 289 morphed into the 302 in 1968, which I always understood to be an emission control engine. Funny, when I was in high school in the ’70s, the 302 was considered a bit of a dog compared to the 289, but then it was a bunch of high school kids without a lot of firsthand experience.
I do know that one of my best friends had an early ’68 Cougar with the 289 (that all of the parts catalogs said did not exist) and it was a mighty sprightly little engine. My Galaxie with the 390 was the opposite – not much of a revver, but all torque.
Your right it was 60s tech that little V8 was fitted to early compact Fairlanes US Falcons and Sunbeam Alpines Falcons in Aussie got it in the XR model1966 and stretched to 302 for the next model itappeared in every Aussie Falcon untill 83/4 XE models then dropped in favour of injected 6s which had similar hp/Torque and could run on unleaded with help from a Honda cylinder head. Although these Lincolns share the basic Falcon architecture they were never offered out here but some of the problems experienced go a long way to explain why Ford Aussie couldnt come up with a V8 untill 93 over here.
The mix and match system of parts is one of the Falcons strong points here and it obviously carries over into the later US cars makes repairs easy and upgrades simple but it looks like US buyers dont have the OHC 6s. Great post good luck with the resto.
The Cougar reverted to the 289 at midyear due to the effects of the strike in the fall of ’67. They simply ran short of engines and other components and had to ration accordingly. I collect brochures, and the 1968s were revised at least twice to reflect this.
There were a number of casualties of this strike, including the planned offering of hydraulic lifter 427s on many models. In the end, it only ended up in the Cougar GTE.
The 4 speed AOD tranny is possibly the same one that landed in the EA2 Falcon to replace the outdated 3speeder which did not suit the upgraded cars at all.
Not to spoil your enthusiasm, but weren’t these cars just luxo’ed out Thunderbirds?
If you mean Thunderbirds with the Mustang HO cam and an extra 35 to 75hp depending on the T-bird engine… then yeah, pretty much. 😉
Well like I said, I dont want to spoil your enthusiasm, its a cool car and as long as you like it, thats what counts. But they were basically a Thunderbird with a fancy nose and trunk lid, slightly upgraded interior, overly complicated and delicate suspension, and a Mustang engine. Well, the Tbird also had a mustang engine, but without the HO setup.
I can see the appeal for you now buying this one and fixing it up with all the easily swappable performance parts for Mustangs, building up a pretty sweet old school personal luxury musclecar instead of the same old Fox Mustang build everyone else does. But back in the day when it was new, it wasnt groundbreaking or anything, it was a parts-bin engineering car made to profit off the Lincoln Mark history. No wonder they didnt sell many.
Good point. Isn’t that how almost all cars are though? Almost everything “Premium” that finds itself below the stratospheric exotic market is parts-bin engineered by some major corporation, improving on a basic platform and its lesser stablemates that happen to share that platform, using mostly corporate parts, and mostly leaving a good amount of performance potential untapped into.
Let’s look at our recent past, the 6-series is just a 2-door 5-series basically. And then it just gets further tarted up by putting in a bigger engine and calling it an M6. In modern terms it’s identical to what happened here.
But yeah, I think that you really got it though. That’s a good honest take. You’re right.
😀
You aren’t going to be able to convince every kind of person about the wonders of the Fox Mark, and you shouldn’t try. I certainly didn’t with my Town Car thingy, but I did try to show why -I- find them somewhat appealing.
Still, someone said you never see these cars any more due to the AOD. REALLY? Compared to what, exactly, as far as the Mark VII’s peers go? Just how many mid-late ’80s and early ’90s Eldos, Rivs, Toros and the like are still around? Viewed in this light, the Mark VII was a smashing success, clunky AOD or not.
And yes, phoenix, the AOD clunks into 3rd. They all do. If you think they don’t, go drive anything with a decent 700r4 and report back. Ford man to Ford man, I love ya, but those rose-colored glasses are rotting your brain on the AOD issue.
Thanks man. I think there’s a wide range of what we mean by “clunk.” I’m afraid what is a clunk for some is a bang for others, and vice versa. I’m also afraid that we could debate the precise definition of what it is that happens when they shift into 3rd forever, lol!!! 😀
I think it all depends on how they’re accelerated into the shift. If it’s light, if it’s medium throttle, if it’s WOT. The AOD’s will react differently in all of those situations. I’m not debating the fact that they overall do clunk, compared to other transmissions. I am absolutely not arguing that. I am questioning whether those trannys that have (quote) “a horrible clunk going into 3rd” are in a good condition to begin with, provided that anything other than a feather light throttle input is implied. That’s all!
And come on, I don’t expect someone to start liking the AOD because of something that I wrote. LOL, this is all for fun and that’s the whole reason we’re here. This has really been a fun discussion. 😀
“Still, someone said you never see these cars any more due to the AOD. REALLY? Compared to what, exactly, as far as the Mark VII’s peers go? Just how many mid-late ’80s and early ’90s Eldos, Rivs, Toros and the like are still around?”
The cars you mention are all FWD E-bodies, so really they’re not comparable to the Mark VII at all (marketing notwithstanding). Also I didn’t mean to imply that the AOD was the sole reason for these cars becoming rare, in fact there was no shortage of durability and build-quality issues with most (if not all) American cars during the period in question.
So the more appropriate question here would be “How many 700-R4-equipped RWD GM B and C-bodies from ’86-91 or so are still around?”, and of course the answer is “way way more of them than AOD-equipped Ford products”. Way way more. I think it’s been at least two or three months since I’ve even seen a square Panther for instance, but the contemporary Fleetwood Broughams, Electras, 98s, and Caprices are still pretty common.
You’re right about the E-bodies though, I rarely see those anymore either.
Well, its not quite the same… the BMW 5-series is already as premium a car as the coupe they made from it. And even modern badge engineered cars like the Lexus ES vs. Camry, they arent trying to make the badge job into the flagship product, just the entry level model. I just think that Ford got a bit greedy trying to get such a high profit margin on this car when it was so obviously a rebadged T-bird. Even when Buick did the Reatta, at least they threw on a unique body and dash.
There is a guy around here with a totally bad ass LSC, all black on black, mint condition, black 17″ rims, lowered, and it sounds amazing. He must have done everything in the Mustang playbook to it. I see him hooning it a lot, it will leave burnouts for miles, drift around corners, etc. I think you would love it! 🙂
I just purchased MKII ’84 Bill Blass for $810. 138K miles. Suspension and radio was replaced but everything else looks original. It’s still gold. Passenger door and fender was hit a long time ago. I have a Haynes book and really want to make it “purr” so to speak. Mechanically inclined but only experience with vehicles is an ’86 Mazda RX7 that is unfortunately long gone. First project, other than finding where to get parts, is getting the windows to roll up and down and the doors to lock. Car seems to run great, so I need suggestions as to what to look for. Will figure out what AOD is and fix what wire is associated, but what’s next. Willing yet need help.
Yet some people spend bucks to harden up the shifts in some automatics to make em bang shift. I personally dont like soft slurring autos it feels like the valve body is clogged with band shit and need a good flush and adjust. But hey to each their opwn.
“You must remember this, a kiss is just a kiss, a bang is not a clunk…” 🙂
Great discussion, and yes, I did promise Paul a love letter to my 5000 lb mistress! Stay tuned…
Looking forward to it. Love the old Imperials!
“You must remember this, a kiss is just a kiss, a bang is not a clunk…”
The prettiest car can cause a funk
as miles go by
FWIW, I was a fan of these cars back in the 80’s-paleolithic era. Of course I would be, my wife and I each had our own Fox body V8 (Mercury Capri).
I had the AOD autobox in my 1986, but to be honest, I don’t remember anything bad about the trans, other than the fact that it banged off the shifts. Everytime. I bought the car right off of the transporter, and it did it then, too. I never had a moment’s trouble with the trans.
The kid that I bought the Capri from knew that I had purchased a black RS the year before (for my wife as an engagement present) (man, I miss the 80’s) and tried his best to get me to buy another car soon. He tried to ply me with Merkurs, formal roofed Cougars, even a Lynx RS. I don’t know what the hell the guy was smoking.
Say all you want about the Mark VII being a Fox body clone, but the one I drove with my salesman ‘buddy’ was worlds away from the SWB Capris that I had in the garage at home. Granted, back then, I don’t travel in the crowds that routinely own the big BMWs and Mercs, but the one that I sampled was genuinely luxurious.
Sadly, there’s nothing that Lincoln has today that even comes close to the Mark VII. I was not a fan of the droopy Mark VIII, and nothing in today’s line up even catches my eye.
A CTS-V sedan or wagon would do the trick, though…
Thanks, Tom! The story is written and you may see it someday soon.
I must be the only one to think these cars were hideous.
You must think your mom is a sexy babe also. I bought a mint 88 LSC for 4 grand with only 63000km last NoV and EVERYBODY tells me it’s a nice car. This car is great to drive and ride in, people let me cut in front of them like I’m the king of the road. It’s basically a loaded stretched luxury Fox Mustang, it has the Stang 225hp Motor, Fox frame, trans, and posi trac rear axel. LSC= Luxury Stang Coupe. IF you OWNED one you wouldn’t think it was hideous.
i cut the body off of a 91 lsc and cut the chassis out of my 69 mustang mach 1 and am putting the two togehter this year . i wanted a modern ride , have the spring kit , and the looks of the old mustang. its going well so far
I just bought a 90 Lincoln Mark VII LSC. Man I love this car!! Needed new rack, tie rods, bushings, struts, door panels, and front seats re-upholstered. Only 78,000 original miles so I figure money well spent! This car is so fun to drive, and gets ALOT of attention!!
Nicely done–a well-written analysis of the VII, and of how it could have been an even bigger success if it weren’t for the engine missteps of the first couple of years. But they do remain fantastic cars, especially the SE models (how’s yours doing btw?). I wanted one for most of the 80’s and mid 90’s. Until about 1994, when I saw the Mark VIII, and my heart was stolen in one fell swoop.
I was lucky enough to own a ’96 VIII for two short years, from 2004 to 2006. Possibly the best all-around car I’ve ever owned, and had it not been for the accident that cut short its life, I’d probably still own it. But that’s another writeup someday, perhaps. As to the VII, I’d still like to own one. Preferably a titanium ’90 SE (IIRC one year only color) though the gunmetal/titanium finish wheels off a ’91-’92 SE would have to find their way on. Someday…someday. I’d park it in my garage next to the Mark VIII that I’d love to own another one of.
I always liked the Mark VII. No Bill Blass for me – I’ll take an ’87 or newer LSC in black.
Not sure you can single out Mark VII as the only forgotten Mark. There was the original successor to the brilliant Mark II that appeared in 1958–60, an overwrought, oversized vehicle that Ford itself forgot when they launched the “Glamour-Bird” sibling called the Mark III in the late 1960s.
The Mark that truly deserves to be forgotten was the Mark VI, the stablemate to the Lincoln Versailles, a Mercury Monarch in drag.
I owned an ’89 LSC as my very first car. White with blue interior. I bought it off of my aunt and uncle when I was 14. I loved that car. I learned how to drive in that car and every one called it “The Tank”. Sadly, about a month after getting my license, I had to sell it. The brake accumulator went up in it, and due to the lack of availability, the cost of locating one, and labor was going to cost over $3,000. I was devastated. I always said that I’d find another one, and I hope to.
BTW, I had to laugh when I read the section about turning the key to “on”. You described everything just how I remembered it. To the “T”! I always waited until the fuel pump, and air suspension did its thing before I would start the car.
I also had to laugh at the highbeam box. I can’t tell you how many times they highbeams switched off because of a road sign, or a utility light pole.
I have a 1990 Lincoln Mark 7 LSC SE. And the only problem that my car has is the rmp goes up and down. What could it be
I have had my ’89 LSC for 14 years as an everyday driver. I bought it off the original owner. 183K on the clock and I’m looking foward to another 100K before warming it over. One of the very few great cars of the 1980s!
love my 89 lsc 5.0 aod
Your description of turning the key partially on in a dark garage has put this experience on my automotive bucket list! Wow!
My 17 year old has the 91 mark 7. He learned the hard way this morning that it doesn’t do well in snow
I bought my Mark VII LSC from my mother when she bought a mark VIII in 1996. (zero collisions)
I love this car! I drove it in the Central Rockies for years. Passing everyone on the high mountain passes was a matter of course. I generally drove back to Indiana twice a year (+Road trips) and I still drive the car as my luxury ride today!
I’m at odds with anyone who thinks of this as a deleted auto or an expensive daily driver.
Unfortunately I’m getting old and generally drive my 1983 Toyota truck (“My wheelbarrow”), the Lincoln’s interior is falling apart but I’ve maintained the mechanics. (re-panted in 2009, Airbags 1999).
I’m not excited about parting with my brown beauty but I might entertain offers.
In any case… I think this may be the best venue for me to brag about my 300,000 mile luxury sports car.
(Insert smiIe-emogi)
I Have my 89 LSC and she has done me wonders i bought her abt a year ago, a lil bit over, It’s had 2 previous Older owners who let it Sit and it was a mess when I got it and I still have to do paint and the Interior then she’ll be car show ready and I’ve done all this – – [x] Batteryx2
– [x] Accumulator
– [x] Rear Tail Lights
– [x] Ignition Switch
– [x] Power Steering Pump
– [x] Power Steering Line
– [x] Window Motors x2
– [x] Serpentine Belt – 28.49$
– [x] Brake Regulator- 5$
– [x] Valve Switch and Tires
– [x] Gas Tank – 105$
– [x] Fuel Pump –
– [x] Fuel Valve pressure Vent
– [x] Filler Neck fuel Grommet Seal
– [x] Lock Rings and Seals
– [x] Battery Terminals
– [x] Rack and Pinion
– [x] Brake Assembly Pressure switch- just need to put it in-
– [x] Radio
– [x] AC Compressor- $217.79
– [ ] Blower Motor- $31
– [ ] TPS
– [ ] Inertia Switch
– [x] Radiator (upper and lower hoses)
– [x] water pump and hoses
– [x] Brakes (Rotors and Pads)
She had done me a great Job and I’m only 19 trying to restore this thing to its former glory and then some 🙂